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Hiding Under the Bed- Joy of Text 1:8

by Rabbi Dov Linzer (Posted on November 10, 2017)
Topics: Halakha & Modernity, Sex & Niddah

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These sources accompany the (mini) eight episode of the Joy of Text podcast.

 

Hiding Under the Bed

  1. Babylonian Talmud Hagigah (5b)   |    (:תלמוד בבלי מסכת חגיגה (ה
אמר רב: אפילו שיחה יתירה שבין איש לאשתו מגידים לו לאדם בשעת מיתה. איני? והא רב כהנא הוה גני תותי פורייה דרב, ושמעיה דסח וצחק ועשה צרכיו, אמר: דמי פומיה דרב כמאן דלא טעים ליה תבשילא, אמר ליה: כהנא, פוק לאו אורח ארעא – לא קשיא; כאן – דצריך לרצויה, הא – דלא צריך לרצויה.Rav said: Even the superfluous conversation between a man and his wife is declared to a person in the hour of his death.  But is it so?  Now behold R. Kahana once lay down beneath the bed of Rav and he heard him converse and jest and perform his needs.  [Thereupon] he said: The mouth of Rav is like that of one who has not yet tasted any food.  Said [Rav] to him: Kahana, get out, this is unseemly! – There is no contradiction: In the one case [it is] where he has to procure her favor, in the other, where he has no need to procure her favor.

2. Babylonian Talmud, Berakhot 62a   |    (.תלמוד בבלי ברכות (סב

רב כהנא על, גנא תותיה פורייה דרב. שמעיה דשח ושחק ועשה צרכיו, אמר (ליה): דמי פומיה דאבא כדלא שריף תבשילא! אמר לו: כהנא, הכא את? פוק, דלאו ארח ארעא. אמר לו: תורה היא וללמוד אני צריך.Rav Kehana went up and laid down underneath the bed of Rav.  He then heard Rav speak, make sport, and satisfy his needs.  And he said (some MS: to him) – “It seems that the mouth of Abba has never tasted a dish in his life.”  Rav said to him: Kehana, you are here?!  Get out –this is not the way of the world.  He replied: “It is Torah, and to learn it I must.’

3. Babylonian Talmud, Eruvin 100b   |    (:תלמוד בבלי עירובין (ק

ואץ ברגלים חוטא – זה הבועל ושונה. – איני? והאמר רבא: הרוצה לעשות כל בניו זכרים יבעול וישנה! – לא קשיא; כאן – לדעת, כאן – שלא לדעת. “One who rushes with his legs is a sinner” – this is a person that has sex and then repeats.  Is this really true?  Does not Rava state: One who wants to have all his children male, should have sex and repeat?  This is not difficult, here (where it is advised) – is when it is with [her] willingess, here (where it is considered a sin) is when it is without [her] willingness.